Charles Barkley’s fake Christians

February 16, 2008 at 11:12 pm (Politics, Religion)

Wolf Blitzer interviewed with Charles Barkley on CNN’s Situation Room on Friday afternoon. The interesting part follows, with interesting parts highlighted. If you compare the transcript with the video, they mostly match. I think that the word-processing software probably cleaned up a bit, as Mr Barkley is not as articulate as one would normally expect from a college graduate.

BARKLEY: Well, I think, you know, people keep saying, well, he doesn’t have enough experience on national security and things like that. First of all, whoever the president is, he’s going to have tons of advisers. It ain’t like the president gets to make every decision on his own. You have great advisers around you.

Hey, I live in Arizona. I have got great respect for Senator McCain. Great respect. But I don’t like the way the Republicans are taking this country. Every time I hear the word “conservative,” it makes me sick to my stomach, because they’re really just fake Christians, as I call them. That’s all they are. But I just — I’m going to vote Democratic no matter what.

BLITZER: What about you in politics? At one point you were thinking of running back in Alabama. What do you think?

BARKLEY: Well, I just bought a house in 2007. And in 2014, I promise you I’m going to run for governor of Alabama.

BLITZER: And when will you run for governor of Alabama?

BARKLEY: 2014. You have to have residency for seven years. And I bought my house at the end of last year. And I will be eligible in 2014.

BLITZER: All right. One quick point before I let you go. You used the phrase “fake Christians” for conservatives. Explain what you’re talking about.

BARKLEY: Well, I think they — they want to be judge and jury. Like, I’m for gay marriage. It’s none of my business if gay people want to get married. I’m pro-choice. And I think these Christians — first of all, they’re supposed to be — they’re not supposed to judge other people. But they’re the most hypocritical judge of people we have in this country. And it bugs the hell out of me. They act like their Christians. And they’re not forgiving at all.

BLITZER: So you’re going to get a lot of feedback on this one, Charles.

BARKLEY: They can’t do anything to me. I don’t work for them.

BLITZER: You feel comfortable saying all that?

BARKLEY: I feel very comfortable saying I’m pro-choice, and I’m for gay marriage. Very comfortable.

BLITZER: But you can’t lump all these conservatives as being fake. A lot of them obviously — most of them are very, very sincere in their religious beliefs.

BARKLEY: Well, they should read the part about they’re not supposed to judge other people. They forget that one when it doesn’t fit what they want it to say.

BLITZER: All right. We’ve got to leave it there, Charles.

Thanks very much for joining us.

BARKLEY: Thank you for having me.

Video of this is available at http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=48184 or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCaAx9SRZRU

The transcript is available here: http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/sitroom.01.html

Now…

This was the second time in as many weeks that I’ve heard that phrase misused in that way, and once was from a professing Christian. You’d really think that they would know better. Isn’t it odd that Mr Barkley would know (or think that he knew) a Bible passage? In reality, he doesn’t. He is just parroting back what he has heard others say. And those that he heard probably didn’t know it either.

The passage that he is referring to is in Matthew 7:1. So, let’s take a look at it.

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

So, the passage isn’t saying that we aren’t to judge, but that the criteria that we use to judge others should be the same that we judge ourselves. How many of us are willing to overlook great transgressions in ourselves (the beam) while we point fingers at problems in others (the mote), and even offer to help them ‘fix’ their problem without dealing with our own?

Mr. Barkley certainly does. One of the areas where he and I actually agree is that professional athletes shouldn’t be role models for kids. I’m sure that we disagree as to WHY. I think that the vast majority of athletes don’t set good examples, where Mr. Barkley just doesn’t want the responsibility and scrutiny that would bring. How about a different ‘judge not’ scripture to remember.

Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

And for those who aren’t familiar with the concept, righteous means ‘according to the divine law’. I wonder what the gambling-addicted and violent former ball player who’s best known for spitting on a little girl would say to that?

If you haven’t given up on the world, and watch anything on TNT, you may want to let them know what you think of Mr. Barkley. It may not be a bad idea to see what Barack Obama would say about it, since Mr. Barkley was on CNN to give his endorsement of him.

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8 Comments

  1. Elaine said,

    Very interesting.
    Right now I’m not feeling very articulate so I’ll hold off on my “judgment” of Mr. Barkley. The words coming to mind are not very Christlike and I think I need to go to church, change my attitude and then state what I think about the man who calls me “a fake Christian”.

  2. GB said,

    hey, i was wondering why you think gay marriage is wrong? what passages in the bible speak directly to gay marriage and what do they say? why do you think so many clergymen are found to have molested children? and why do so many arch-diocese, and the Vatican itself, protect many of those clergymen who have been accused of molestation?

    thanks!

  3. capitalggeek said,

    The Bible ONLY speaks of marriage as the joining of Man & Woman
    Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
    5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
    6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

    Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
    7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
    8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
    9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

    In my opinion (and that is all that it is) I think that men who are pedofiles are drawn to the priesthood because they think that it will cure them – similar to many people who choose careers in psychology to fix themselves. Individual diocese and the catholic church as a whole protects those pedofiles as a ‘professional courtesy’ – similar to any organization that doesn’t want itself cast in a bad light.

  4. GB said,

    “similar to any organization that doesn’t want itself cast in a bad light.”
    Should the Catholic church not be above such “damage control” tactics? If they are to protect the word of God and keep pure his message to the world why would they react the same way McDonalds does when a customer finds a rat head in their Chicken McNuggets? If professing the true word of God is the central point of your “organization” then isn’t the greater good of God’s children your first priority? How can you protect someone that takes advantage of a helpless child? Worse yet when they do so under the guise of the Bible?

    That’s a very interesting point about pedophiles being drawn to the priesthood because they think it will cure them – however, it is simply an excuse. How is it that the outlet on earth that God himself chose to speak to the world isn’t able to identify within its own high ranks those people that defile his word to such a grotesque degree? Over and over again. Odd.

    I see what you’re saying about marriage in the bible. But what does the bible say about homosexuality in general? Also, I wonder how you personally feel about homosexuality.

  5. capitalggeek said,

    “Should the Catholic church not be above such “damage control” tactics?”
    All groups (and people too) should take responsibility for, and not try to cover up their actions – but the history of that goes all the way back to the garden of Eden.

    “Worse yet when they do so under the guise of the Bible?”
    Yes, much worse. Not only will they have to answer for their sins, but also for any that they deceived.

    “How is it that the outlet on earth that God himself chose to speak to the world isn’t able to identify within its own high ranks those people that defile his word to such a grotesque degree?”
    Maybe the Catholic church isn’t God’s design? It’s an institution created by man, and as such is only as ‘good’ as the people who control it.

    “what does the bible say about homosexuality in general?”
    Homosexuality is one of multiple sexual sins condemned in the Bible.
    1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    fornicators = those engaged in sexual relations outside of marriage
    adulterers = those engaged in sexual relations with a partner that they are not married to, when one of them is married
    effeminate = (Strong’s #3120) a catamite – a boy who has a sexual relationship with a man
    abusers of themselves with mankind = (Strong’s #733) sodomite – a man in a homosexual relationship

    Homosexuality is also condemned in Romans:

    Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

  6. Wedlock said,

    There is no doubt that the compiled Bible speak against homosexuality.That speaks more to the mindset of the people at the time, however, and does not address whether or not their views are correct or “divine,” as it were.
    The simple fact is, no matter how many times you quote the Bible as your source is that homosexuality just “is”, similar to the fact of being left handed.
    You can’t force a human being to be something even if the majority of society asks the individual to do that through threats, coercion, or supposed “damnation.”.And that is all that’s happening here.You choose to read the Bible for your source of information and the Bible unfortunately is a book of antiquity.
    ANYONE who is intellectually honest understands that the Bible for an example, is NOT scientific.The Bible also contains behavior that is morally reprehensible and cruel to others.The Bible reflects a society that did not treat women as equal.
    In Biblical times and just like today, people who are different are treated poorly, and ostracized.Does anyone with half a mind really believe that someone turned into a pillar of salt as a result of the practice of homosexuality?Or is it simply more likely that through Mid rash the Jews expressed their dislike for homosexuality?
    The trouble with Bible believing Christians is that they will take it all so literally in some cases, but not in others as it suits.Most if not all the Levitical laws have long been abandoned as a practice, yet why is homosexuality carried over?It’s hypocritical, and extremely intellectually dishonest.
    Homosexuality is simply part of life just like heterosexuality.Neither have any moral value.They are both simply orientations.Nothing more or less.It’s both superstitious and arcane to think otherwise.

  7. capitalggeek said,

    Wedlock:
    Interesting site, a band called ‘wedlock’ with an album called ‘matrimony’ and described as ‘pansexual’. Really makes me wonder….
    Sexual orientation is at least partially, if not completely environmental. While many people believe that homosexuality is entirely genetic, the research hasn’t shown it..
    I’m not forcing anyone to do anything, and wouldn’t if I could. If telling you what the Bible says about homosexuality along with a plethora of other sexual activity is ‘force’, then I would assume that you’re under some pretty strong conviction.
    Calling someone who disagrees with you intellectually dishonest with half a mind is at best impolite, considering that this is MY house. If you have nothing of value to add to the discussion (and you don’t) then just go somewhere else. The internet is a big place, I’m sure you can find somewhere more to your liking.
    As to the Levitical laws, there were two sets of laws, one moral and one ceremonial. The ceremonial does not apply to Christians, the moral does. Homosexuality is directly addressed in the New Testament passages that I cited above, so it is not part of the ceremonial laws. Laws dealing with foods (with the exception of blood) have been removed.
    To help you out a bit here, since you obviously don’t own a dictionary, ‘hypocritical’ means saying one thing while doing another. ‘Intellectually dishonest’ means advocating a position known to be false. None of my statements have been that.
    IF you chose to return and comment again, take a different tone or I will edit or remove your comment as the mood strikes me.

  8. Ronjon said,

    God wants us to sacrifice the same way He sacrificed His son, Jesus, on the cross for us. Being a child of God’s is not easy, no more than it was easy for Jesus to die on that cross for each one of us. If you are homosexual then you should not be with any-one, or if you cannot be alone then you should marry someone of the opposite sex. I know how hard it is to stop doing what you love but God’s word says that homosexuality is a sin and God wants us to stop sinning regardless what sin we are committing. Some people are kleptomaniacs but just because they love stealing doesn’t mean they should keep doing it. There are habitual liars, cheaters and everything else but they are suppose to stop doing what goes against the word of God. I don’t need anyone to tell me how hard it is to stop sinning because I know but I also know that I don’t want to burn in the eternal lake of fire. I realize that regardless of what, every one is going to live forever and it’s up to us to decide how we are going to live forever.The priest that are having sex with children or whoever should leave the priesthood and get marry because they know what Paul said in the Bible. I am not a Pastor, or any of the other religious leaders but a sinner saved by grace.

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